Metaphysics / Spiritual / Synchronicity

2015, 8:15 And Enola Gay

In a few hours time, the year will change from 2014 to 2015. And everyone will say ‘It’s 2015 Now’. This may ring a bell in the minds of some older readers – ‘Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark’ and Enola Gay. ‘It’s 8:15’ and 8:15 was the time of the first dropping of an atomic bomb on humans in Hiroshima, Japan on 6 / 8 / 1945.

 

 

“It’s 8:15 and that’s the time that it’s always been
We got your message on the radio, conditions normal and you’re coming home”

 

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It could be claimed Enola Gay is the most famous plane ever. And following all the plane crashes in 2014, will 2015 see the dropping of The Time Bomb ? For Ever. It’s about Time

From Wikipedia:

“The Enola Gay is a Boeing B-29 Superfortress bomber, named for Enola Gay Tibbets, the mother of the pilot, Colonel Paul Tibbets, who selected the aircraft while it was still on the assembly line. On 6 August 1945, during the final stages of World War II, it became the first aircraft to drop an atomic bomb. The bomb, code-named “Little Boy”, was targeted at the city of Hiroshima, Japan, and caused unprecedented destruction. Enola Gay participated in the second atomic attack as the weather reconnaissance aircraft for the primary target of Kokura. Clouds and drifting smoke resulted in Nagasaki being bombed instead.”

 

“It’s 20:15 and that’s the time that it’s always been
We got your message on the radio, conditions normal and you’re coming home”

 

And the numbers 815 are linked with the missing Air Asia flight QZ8501 which is lying at the bottom of the sea ( thanks Roob ).

 

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And also Oceanic Flight 815 from the TV series ‘LOST’. It would seem 815 is a very big plane.

 

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On Christmas Day, I watched the Doctor Who Christmas special ‘Last Christmas’. In the episode the Doctor and his companion Clara travel to the North Pole where they meet a group of scientists at a Polar base who are under attack from alien face huggers – ‘We Can’t Breathe’ – called the Dream Crabs. The face huggers can induce a dream like state whilst they suck the brains of their preys.

 

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Santa Claus appears and informs them they are in a dream and they need to wake up. Without going into all the details, they wake up but realise they are in another dream. And then another. Eventually, they manage to escape from the base but the Doctor and Clara find themselves together 60 years later and Clara is an old woman in another dream.

 

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At this point Santa Claus turns up and with one final hurrah, he wakes up both the Clara and the Doctor for the last time and Clara returns to being a young woman.

 

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Ho Ho Ho !

 

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Why So Serious ?

 

175 thoughts on “2015, 8:15 And Enola Gay

  1. Especially for our own Kendo Nagasaki – length of song 4.27 or 7.24 and 8.15 is in missing flights Oceanic 851 and QZ8501

  2. And for our stalwart Faith, came ” ‘o ‘o ‘o” (cockney Santa, see)

    For Thea Void, it shows the belly of the whale; don’t be distracted by the curvy red thing …

    • FAITH,

      Topical and very good indeed!

      Also 815+815+815 = 2445 and 2x4x4x5 = 80+80.

      Also 8×3+1×3+5×3 = (7+7+7) + (7+7+7)

      Or even 24x3x15 = 1080 = 360+360+360 or (60×6) + (60×6) + (60×6)

      • Soz to bring this up but I actually mentioned the link between Lost and Flight 815 Last Christmas but its good that everyone else is catching up…but then I am already in 2015 πŸ˜‰

        Good spot Frank with Enola Gay the number 28 is on the side of the plane a number that I have been banging on about for a year now….and AA Atomic Attack..

        The last survivor of its crew, Theo door e Van Kirk, died on July 28, 2014

        was that Captain Kirk…

        the Kirk is the Scottish term for the Church…

        Happy New Year from the Island…..

            • Thank you Shiny!

              ‘Emma is highly skilled in electronic theory and electronics’

              Under ‘Powers’, her strengths and at the end two flaws:

              ‘Emma Frost is a mutant who possesses various telepathic talents. Emma can read minds and project her thoughts into the minds of others, project psionic force bolts which have no physical effects but which can affect a victim’s mind so as to cause the victim pain or unconsciousness, and can also induce mental pain merely by touching the brow of her victim. Emma can telepathically “sedate” her victims so that, if already rendered unconscious, they remain so for as long as she continues to “sedate” them. It is unknown how effective her “sedating” ability is on victims who are awake. Furthermore, as a consequence of continued mutation, Emma can now transform her skin and hair into a diamond-hard form at will. In this form, Emma is nigh indestructible except for one small flaw that, if exploited, can cause her to shatter. Whilst in her diamond form, Emma’s telepathic abilities are suppressed.

              http://marvel.com/universe/Frost,_Emma

              Have I mentioned to you before how much Louis likes ham and Kitty likes bacon? And, I’m a Mrs … πŸ˜‰ Don’t worry, you see I drink coffee, not tea; not so much to sTimulate as simulate … you know, safe play.

              Although adding a T to that last pix gets you Satan, or Santa … Ho Ho Ho …

        • TTN – blame Roob for the 851 planes. But thinking about 8:15. Since 2000 has the clock been ticking 8:00, 8:01, 8:02 etc to 8:15 – ‘That’s the time its always been’ ? I don’t really expect an answer – just me thinking out loud.

          • Frank the number 22 as I have been saying at least on one dimension represents death…….. 44 is double that but represents rebirth…….. the rebirth of many things on many levels both positive and negative I already mentioned the rebirth of magic and miracles . I haven’t watched the Dr Who episode yet but it reminds me of the film Alien and our conversation awhile back of dreams within dreams in regards to Room 1408 where he wakes up in the water only for it to be another dream which matches the Matrix when he awakes in water…and Under the Dome when they arrive back in the lake…Inception also featured being underwater…. could there be a connection….and 1408 as its only one number out..from 1508 maybe they are counting backwards…..counting down not up..to put us into another trance….you are now feeling very sleepy….the Wizard of Oz was a magician and a master of illusion after all…and loved by the kings and queens…Professor Mar Vel

            http://www.key-hypnosis.com/How-to-hypnosis/Hypnosis-Techniques/How-Hypnotic-Inductions-Work.php

            • TTN – its now 8:15 so Happy New Year. Its now the time its always been πŸ™‚ . Re the numbers – 8 can be equated with Pi so PI : IS . Also in the picture of Paul Tibbets its signed as PILOT. The All is Pi and also Lot turning to a pillar of salt.

            • In the TV show Resurrection the dead boy “woke up” half submerged in a pond. This seems to be a definite repeating thing.

              You know, when something frozen thaws out you are left with a puddle of water.

              • 1. MH370 Neverfound or Neverlanded ie still above the water/ground
                2. MH17 Found on land
                3.QZ8501 Found submerged

                Someone here said that it looked like they were running the story of Noah’s Ark backwards.

                • This echos the TV show LOST again.

                  Oceanic Air flight 815 disappeared from the “real world” (neverlanded).

                  Also, when the Oceanic 6 decided to return to the island they took Ajira flight 316 which crash landed on Hydra Island.

                  A character called Charles Widmore purchased a Boeing 777 fuselage and disinterred 324 graves in Thailand to create a fake staged wreckage of Oceanic Flight 815 (submerged) in the Sunda Trench.

    • FAITH,

      Maybe we should keep an eye on 5/1/2015 then.
      And 512 = 256 + 256 = (16×16) + (16×16) or [(8+8)x(8+8)] + [(8+8)x(8+8)]
      And 5+1+2+1+5 = 7+7.
      The 5th day of the year with 6 x 60 to go and 8 days (New Beginning) or 192 hrs after 28/12/2014.

        • 5 january is celebrated as twelfth night holiday.Its turning point to normal after lord of misrule domination.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Night_(holiday)

          In medieval and Tudor England, the Twelfth Night marked the end of a winter festival that started on All Hallows Eve β€” now more commonly known as Halloween. The Lord of Misrule symbolizes the world turning upside down. On this day the King and all those who were high would become the peasants and vice versa. At the beginning of the Twelfth Night festival, a cake that contained a bean was eaten. The person who found the bean would rule the feast. Midnight signaled the end of his rule and the world would return to normal. The common theme was that the normal order of things was reversed. This Lord of Misrule tradition dates back to pre-Christian European festivals such as the Celtic festival of Samhain and the Ancient Roman festival of Saturnalia.[

          • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_Misrule

            However, according to the anthropologist James Frazer, there was a darker side to the Saturnalia festival. In Durostorum on the Danube (modern Silistra), Roman soldiers would choose a man from among them to be the Lord of Misrule for thirty days. At the end of that thirty days, his throat was cut on the altar of Saturn. Similar origins of the British Lord of Misrule, as a sacrificial king (a temporary king, as Frazer puts it) who was later put to death for the benefit of all, have also been recorded (Frazer, The New Golden Bough, Ed. Theodor H. Gaster, part 7 “Between Old and New: Periods of License,” New York: Criterion Books, 1959; rpt. New York: New American Library, 1964. pp. 643–44; 645-50).

            References to Frazer’s view of this ancient sacrifice were made in the 1973 film The Wicker Man.

  3. Various reports are telling us that the three bodies were holding hands when they found them in the sea! Dead bodies holding hands!!!! Holding Hands? How??? Clearly code for H H!!!! 8 8 !!!!!
    There have been several conflicting reports of course and one was that they had retrieved 40 bodies which appears to be wrong or just deliberately confusing. Another on TV said that a large group (maybe 40 again) were all seen in the sea and were all holding hands!!! Crikey!!!! Lots of H H’s there for sure!
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/airasia-flight-qz8501-crash-pilot-describes-seeing-victims-holding-hands-in-the-water-9950077.htmlο»Ώ

    • KEN

      Thanks for the brilliant number work again.
      And great spot on the ‘Holding Hands’………some of these reports are becoming farcical now.

      HAPPY NEW YEAR πŸ˜€

        • Tell me about it. My husband bought me a signed photo of Old Tone off ebay for a fiver. His idea of a joke – he hung it over our bed; his idea of a Bazinga!

          Not being a destructive person, I took it to work in case somebody wanted it (there are allsorts in this world) … I could not give the fucking thing away. In the end I did destroy it – I put it through the shredder, you know, like wot he did with his expenses πŸ˜‰

          • Still, Teflon’s conscience is clear, because he believed the evidence was true, and second, because he confessed as was forgiven by the Pope. So all’s good then!

  4. Interesting. On another article someone commented that the β€œLOST” Oceanic Flight 815 had 324 passengers. Flight QZ8501 had 162 passengers. 324 divided in half is exactly 162.

  5. Shanghai Stampede…….( as news reports are calling it )
    Allegedly fake money was thrown down from a height, which caused a stampede of people rushing to grab it.

    ‘The love of money is the root of all evil’ comes to mind.

    These DM picks show children wearing devil horns.
    A countdown
    And ……I ❀️SH

    http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2892994/Shanghai-New-Year-s-Eve-stampede-kills-35-thousands-packed-Bund-watch-light-25-mins-midnight.html

    • “It’s not about money. It’s about sending a message. Everything burns.” The Geld Off. It’s his city now.

      And the video is dated 8/15 !!!! ‘That’s the time that it’s always been’.

      • FRANK

        Creepy that Joker isn’t he.

        Don’t know about ‘the time that it’s always been ‘……….time seems to Fly By

        • Faith – its the Joker’s city now.

          If we think we are a body with a beginning and end, then time exists. But the good news is that we’re not.

          And great song from Jim Croce.

          • Most likely we are multidimensional, with many aspects of our being on different planes at the same time. The soul contains the body, I’d say, rather than the other way around.

            Two days ago a big bus pulled into a parking lot in front of me wrapped in the words “LOST CAR” …it was visiting a business named “FUZION”. Despite its name, “lost car” was for a company selling chefs apparel (clothes and food) and had nothing to do with cars. I said what the hey and went to investigate. The guy in charge of the bus welcomed me on board and introduced himself as Leo. Of course, I says.

            About a week ago I was set to fly on AA from Texas to Phoenix, …but the plane was stuck because of a tire problem. I ditched my plans and rerouted. Now my Google search history lists my last search as having been in “Plano, Texas”. I had no idea I ever stepped foot there.

        • Shanghai Stampede = SS ……1919………1+9+1 = 11…………9/11
          8+8 letters

          Surabaya Singapore = SS ……1919………1+9+1 = 11…………9/11
          8+9 letters

          33 letters total

          31st – 28th = 3 again representing their triple – Satan, Antichrist and False Prophet.ο»Ώ
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          Surabaya Singapore in Simple Gematria Equals: 192 or 8x(8+8+8)
          Shanghai Stampede in Simple Gematria Equals: 150
          192+150 = 342 = (18×18) + 18 or [6+6+6]x[6+6+6] + [6+6+6]. Bingo!.

  6. Haven’t said much over the past several days. Reasons as to why; are, when I did post again…I wanted give ‘You All’ another little piece of my heart and mind: too tell you: that as we continue too travel through the ‘hell’ you see, all will be: “well, in and at the end.”

    Most of you will understand the meaning of how this first song connects with the one below it.

    1. The Eyes Of Truth Are Always Watching You.

    2. The Return to Innocence. In other words return to “Inner Sense”, return to: Love.

    Like the song: War Is Not The Answer; by Marvin GAY. (margay, margate, stargate, gateway……~just thinkin’~)

    “NOW EVERYONE CAN FLY”, return to “inner sense.”

    GENEOFISIS if no one else understands the connection of the two songs/videos, I can almost for certain believe that you do.

    Humanity needs to fill their hearts and minds with love for one another and the horror of what you/they see, (daily) will consume itself and disappear.

    It starts with YOU, All Of You who read this post whether or not you understand it.

    HAPPY NEW YEAR TO “ONE” and “ALL”

    *when going through hell…keep going, not back into it: The Inner Sense of Love: Anticipates Your Return!

    • DDNA, I hear you. It’s time for me to put my currency where my mouth is and bow out of the artificial news stories. It starts to feel very toxic, especially shoe-horning meaning into things that initially have none. This is exactly what the matrix/brotherhood/babble wishes us to do. I’ve posted links to the site below before but wanted to share with a few particular gems about time, language, banking, His-Story. MJ, the first one has a great discussion about the 360degree sounds of Creation. The banking article in particular is good for assessing one’s own accountability in the nightmare, especially before looking for ”the devil” in others. Interesting to note the origin of the word Church (from circe/circus) and that to be defined as a church in the US, a group has to legally register with a ”satanic” (not my word) organization….

      http://forthosewitheyestosee.blogspot.com/2014/09/language-is-lockdown.html

      http://forthosewitheyestosee.blogspot.com/2014/07/truestory-usa-happy-4th-of-july.html

      http://forthosewitheyestosee.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2014-10-27T02:11:00-07:00&max-results=10

      Bye Frank, MJ, Roob, DDNA, anon, TTN, Faith, Ken, BB, Trinity, Elena, Armonia and all. This is going to be a test of will because I’ve grown addicted to my Merovee family and have enjoyed playing with you. Hugs and peace to everyone in the New Year.

      ❀

      • Anon, thanks for sharing those articles and for coming out to play. I’ve had breaks from Merovee. Things do become intense here, or quite the opposite, (as in any experience) and we need to seek out the company of others or just be by ourselves. We have to make up our own minds and that sometimes seems impossible when you realise the possibility that most things have been meddled with along the way. Good luck. Don’t go with the flow, go with the glow and tread your own path, reassured by the lights of other travellers on your way.

        Much love, Bertie (who is waiting to be as brave as you).

  7. See the song Stampede from Nuclear Blast Records.

    Also, the stampede scene in The Lion King. At the end of the scene, the lion says “Brother help me. Long live the King.”

    See also the Royal Stampede pranksters.

    And the stampede scene in Jurasic Park led by the dinosaur named King Kong.

    And the stampede scene in Jumanji. (Cheo Man Chi was the most famous passenger on Flight 815).

    And see the “Jumanji Stampede” in Keene (King) New Hampshire.

    And the Mouse King, Part 9 — Stampede

    The Yellow King Part 12 – Stampede

    See Samantha King playing at the Stampede Talent Search

    And Stampede with Aaron The KIng Wizard

    And the David Beckham (football king) stampede in Shanghai (one year ago).

    Fletcher Henderson top songs: The Stampede and the Shanghai Shuffle.

    New movie: The King of Shanghai.

    And so on.

    Happy New Year.

  8. If you understand German, this band Watch Out Stampede warns of a slaughter in January, and sings “You can’t breathe under water.”

  9. And the Stampede band from America plays at London New Years Day parade. Notice the shot of the Lion King.

  10. That’s right VIKTOR keep feeding them with the program.

    Once united in mass in: The Garden Of Eden

    We drifted apart.

    Go back to the garden in: heart, mind and spirit…taste in your mind the beauty; your eyes the massiveness; your heart the magnificence of it.

    Keep going no matter the programs warnings of impending doom.

  11. http://www.economist.com/dh99
    The 7 figures featured prominently in the front line ie from the left the Pied Piper (PP), Putin (Russia), A. Merkel (Germany), B.Obama, (USA), Li Keqiang (China), Narendra Modi (India), D. Cameron (UK).
    PPMOLMC.
    PPMOLMC in Simple Gematria Equals: 88

    • From comments:

      * Hilary Clinton and Angela Merkel both wearing the ‘ebola Green’ Necklaces

      * The coin on the ‘PANIC’ board is a Chinese red-star

      * The Pied piper is looking down and playing to ‘Clown’ fish (leading clowns out of their protective shelters in the coral)

      * The Crop Duster is a Drone

      * The sumo wrestler s holding the Negative end of a battery (Fukishima?)

      * Angela Merkel is making the Illuminati sign with her hands.

      * The lower globe/egg resembles the NFL Superbowl trophy

      * Alice in wonderland is staring at the group (like staring thru the looking glass) at the Cheshire Cat exposed between Obama and China Leader

      * The feather hat has Mallard Duck winds, but they don’t make these kinds of ‘birds nests’ for their eggs. (possibly ‘egg about to be on one’s face)

      * The ball behind Alice in wonderland is wrapped several times with rosary beads.

      * on the bottom of the ghost holiday brochure are the letters IS (isis)?

      * The drums… not sure, but what is 2015 the 50th anniversary for (particularly with regards to Britain?)

      * finally.. the eyes on the upper left Globe seem to be in areas of interest lately. Malaysia and Crimea?ο»Ώ

      • Hilarious! I forgot that actor Ian Lavendar played a character called Frank. πŸ™‚
        Obviously, he’s not panicking either.

  12. 815 can also seen as 15 august: Big feastday becourse it,s First day of flooding of Nile and Assumtion of Mary…

    Intresting things happened that day:

    1534 – Ignatius of Loyola and six classmates take initial vows, leading to the creation of the Society of Jesus

    1914 – World War I: Beginning of the Battle of Cer, the first Allied victory of World War I.

    1939 – The Wizard of Oz premieres at Grauman’s Chinese Theater in Los Angeles, California.

    1947 – India gains Independence from the British Indian Empire after near 190 years of Crown rule and joins the Commonwealth of Nations.

    1948 – The Republic of Korea is established south of the 38th parallel north.

    1965 – The Beatles play to nearly 60,000 fans at Shea Stadium

    1971 – President Richard Nixon completes the break from the gold standard by ending convertibility of the United States dollar into gold by foreign investors.

    1977 – The Big Ear, a radio telescope operated by Ohio State University as part of the SETI project, receives a radio signal from deep space; the event is named the “Wow! signal” from the notation made by a volunteer on the project.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_15

    Holidays and observances[edit]
    Armed Forces Day (Poland)
    Christian Feast Day:
    Feast day of the Assumption of Mary, one of the Catholic holy days of obligation. (a public holiday in Austria, Belgium, Benin, Bosnia, Burundi, Cameroon, Chile, Colombia, Croatia, Cyprus, France, Germany, Greece, Guatemala, Hungary, Italy, Ivory Coast, Lebanon, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Madagascar, Malta, Mauritius, Paraguay, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Senegal, Seychelles, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland, Togo, and Vanuatu), and its related observances:
    Feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches)
    Virgin of Candelaria, patron of the Canary Islands. (Tenerife, Spain)
    Stanislaus Kostka
    Tarcisius
    August 15 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)
    Ferragosto (Italy)
    Mother’s Day (Antwerp and Costa Rica)
    National Acadian Day (Acadians)
    Navy Day (Romania)
    Constitution Day (Equatorial Guinea)
    Earliest day on which Children’s Day can fall, while August 21 is the latest; celebrated on the third Sunday in August. (Argentina and Peru)
    Earliest day on which Day of Hearts can fall, while August 21 is the latest; celebrated on the third Monday in August. (area around Haarlem and Amsterdam)
    Founding of AsunciΓ³n (Paraguay)
    Independence Day, celebrates the independence of Korea from Japan in 1945:
    Gwangbokjeol, “Independence Day” (South Korea)
    Jogukhaebangui nal, “Fatherland Liberation Day” (North Korea)
    Independence Day, celebrates the independence of the Republic of the Congo from France in 1960.
    Independence Day of India, celebrates the independence of India from the United Kingdom in 1947.
    National Memorial Service for War Dead (Japan)
    The first day of Flooding of the Nile, or Wafaa El-Nil (Egypt and Coptic Church)
    The main day of Bon Festival (Japan)
    Victory over Japan Day (United States)

  13. BBC caught out using dead schoolboy’s pic from Sandy Hook and saying it is one of the dead schoolboys from Peshawar in Pakistan.


      • Huzaifa Huxaifa = 7+7 letters
        Huzaifa Huxaifa in Simple Gematria Equals: 142 and 1+4+2 = 7
        H H = 88. (Some of the dead bodies from flight QZ8501 were said to be ‘holding hands’ in the water – HH)
        Both names are the same except for z and x, 24 and 26 and 2+4+2+6 = 7+7.
        2x4x2x6 = 96 = (8+8+8)+(8+8+8)+(8+8+8)+(8+8+8)
        24×26 = 624 = 39 x (8+8) or (13+13+13) x (8+8)
        Noah Pozner = 10 letters
        Noah Pozner in Simple Gematria Equals: 132 or 66+66 or 33+33+33+33.
        N P = 14 16 or 7+7 8+8.
        14 letters + 10 letters = 8+8+8 letters.
        They play games with us by using stories and words and numbers.
        For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.ο»Ώ

  14. On Friday (today) the search area for QZ8501 was reduced to 1,575 sq km and 1+5+7+5 = 6+6+6.
    5x7x5 = 175 and 1+7+5 = 13.

  15. Not sure if anyone has already mentioned the movie…….WATERWORLD
    Kevin Costner plays the character…….Mariner……who is a human, who has been genetically modified to have
    gills behind his ears, and so able to breathe underwater.

    The little girl in the movie is called………Enola
    She has a tattoo on her back of a map to ………DryLand……….( wherever that is supposed to be )…….
    some believe DryLand is Mount Everest……( top of the world)

    Seems to tie in with recent news stories…….height ( aircraft) and depth…….( ferries/sea )

        • Great link Roob I have just finished a dissertation on how the Christian Church ruled by fear…and worship the god of fear…the avenger as they call him…

          Truth is, we live in a primitive fear-based society, with a fear-based system that literally feeds on fear; it is their sole food. Wherever you look, as soon as you scrape away the wafer-thin Glove of Shamocracy, you discover the iron fist, forged in the terror of the medieval age, and re-bodged over the centuries into the ad-hoc adaptation we now see. The fear-based energy has been passed down from Master to Pupil in unbroken succession.

          For this reason, reform is impossible, because such a system can truly face it’s nature without destroying itself, so it constantly throws up smokescreens and diversions, while at all times sending new ripples of fear from which the growing hordes of expensive professionals feed.

          The professionals need a constant stream of damaged, ill, and criminalised people, in order to fuel their economy. This world is run by sick minds their system itself is sick but they wish to reboot and reset it to their new improved version…but WE can see through their illusion….and WE no longer BELIEVE in it…

          • TTN,

            So where do all the recently murdered Christians in Iraq and surrounding areas fit in to your dissertation bearing in mind you claim they were members of a fear-based religion?
            Secondly, what is it that all Christians have a fear of? Please enlighten me.

            • Oh Kendo, don’t get tense … I mean get the tense. Are you seriously suggesting that the Christian Church has never waged war?

              But if you want to speak about right now, you can’t see that the Health Puritans are in charge?

              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2894624/Raising-taxes-cigarettes-save-millions-lives-stop-people-smoking-prices-double.html

              Now we have wars on concepts: smoking, obesity, poverty, terror … they still result in human death and casualty. Athough, I suspect they are starting the downward trajectory to their nadir …

              http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/bad-luck-and-cancer.html

              All religions bind, deform, misshape because (‘to bind’ is the etymology of ‘religion’) they are administered not by god but by man … sinner that he is πŸ˜‰

              • RBD2

                What is ‘The Christian Church’ as you put it.

                Real Christians don’t belong to ‘religion’………..we belong to Jesus Christ, and Him alone.
                We answer to God, through faith in Jesus Christ.
                Jesus Christ alone is the mediator between God and man………no one else.
                So called religions are man made………wars are caused by man.

                True Christians could never take an innocent life.
                Please don’t yolk Real Christianity together with man made Churchianity.

                • So which non-affilidated to any manmade Church bible is it that you read and draw inspriation and comfort from? Do you not see that dividing christians up into ‘real/true’ and not ‘real/true’ is part of divide and conquere, one of the oldest control mechanisms known to man and you’re participating in it.

                  Faith, I believe in god; in that respect we are exactly the same.

              • Roobs,

                Who says I am tense? I asked TTN a reasonable question which he has not replied to yet. In fact nobody has replied to it yet including you.
                The Christian Church has certainly not waged war in the 20th or 21st century as far as I know. Is that ok for you or do you want to go further back in time? And how far?
                By now I would have thought that even you would realise that wars are created by the elite for their purposes which also includes human sacrifice of millions of souls to THEIR boss. This has nothing at all to do with Christianity, yet many Christians are killed in the process. It is purely satanic.

                • A pun on the word ‘tense’ there, Kendo; TNT is a historian, his dissertation is on ‘how it ruleD’. Past tense, see, although he grew up in Northern Ireland and so probably sees ‘Christian Church’ and ‘Fear’ quite differently to you.

                  By throwing christians being murdered in Iraq today (note the tense) at TNT, you seem to equate a christian killed by a different religion is somehow more dispicable than one killed by someone from a different part of the same ‘Christian Church’. Unless you know more about TNT’s dissertation than the rest of us..

                  Was that your reasonable question, or the second one about what do christians have to fear? Same as everybody else, I imagine … fear itself.

            • KEN

              I,d like to know what all Christians have a fear of too. The Lord warns us to be vigilant and discerning…….but certainly not afraid.

              Real Christians know that our Creator is a God of love, forgiveness, grace and mercy…..He is long suffering, and offers everyone the chance of Salvation.
              He is certainly not a God of fear or avenger……….but He does tell the Truth, and Im afraid lots of people these days don’t like to hear it…….and don’t want the Truth of Gods Word getting in the way of their own lifestyles.

                • Ephesians 6:12King James Version (KJV)

                  12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

                  • Soz guys was away all day and got caught in a storm and just returned to see my comment has also stirred something of a storm…

                    ..firstly I and others countered your arguments about King James and still heard nothing back DDNA and Anon both held out the hand of friendship to you both with no response in fact the Silence was deafening….which I find sad and disappointing as I have defended you in the past…

                    Anon pointed out to you that the term Lord meant Baal the horned god and again no response….

                    in regards to your comments on Christians I am a tad confused as Faith stated that there was 2.3 billion of them in the world and the number was growing can you both please define the term Christian as the 2.3 billion include Catholics Coptics Armenians Orthodox etc…as Faith has stated..

                    Real Christians don’t belong to β€˜religion’………..we belong to Jesus Christ, and Him alone. We answer to God, through faith in Jesus Christ.
                    Jesus Christ alone is the mediator between God and man………no one else.
                    So called religions are man made………wars are caused by man.

                    does this mean that most of the 2.3 Billion are not true Christians then..even though you praised the fact that this number was growing

                    the Church I was referring to in my original comment was the Church of Scotland aka Presbyterian who ruled Scotland by fear using a network of spies and informers they also hauled poor people whom they accused of sin around the churches in public displays of humiliation a bit like a Victorian version of Jeremy Kyle the men who encouraged this were born again evangelical types who also belonged to the local Masonic Halls…

                    Is a Christian life worth more than a Muslim… there has been far more Muslims slaughtered these past few years never heard a peep from anyone last June when Isis slaughtered and beheaded hundreds of Muslims in Iraq….and posted the videos online…I have found ordinary Muslims much more welcoming and generous than Christians of any description….last summer in Egypt was a moving experience as they were living in abject poverty and yet offered you every piece of food they had

                    Ken in Northern Ireland in the twentieth century both the Catholic and Protestant Church waged war by proxy on each other even though they are ultimately on the same team….I witnessed so called born again Christian elders and ministers fighting with the police…and many Catholic priests and Protestant ministers approved and encouraged violence….

                    and its still going on in Africa…

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
                    .
                    however it is not about labels it is not a war on Christians but a war on humanity and the human race..Faith says wars are caused by man and Ken says we fight not flesh and blood which is it..or is it a bit of both

                    Anyway that will do for starters….we have been playing round with this for long enough its time to get to the Truth and move on…

                    I do like you both and this is not personal and I have learned a lot from your comments and links we seem to just keep going around in circles..the difference is really that I believe in a different Creator….

                    Don’t turn your back on wisdom, for she will protect you.
                    Love her, and she will guard you.
                    7 Getting wisdom is the wisest thing you can do!
                    And whatever else you do, develop good judgment.
                    8 If you prize wisdom, she will make you great.
                    Embrace her, and she will honor you.
                    9 She will place a lovely wreath on your head;
                    she will present you with a beautiful crown.”

  16. From 22/9/2004 (LOST flight 815) to 28/12/2014 AirAsia Flight 8501) is 10Y 3M 6D or 1036.
    1036 + mirror 6301 = 7337 (remember 37×73 = 2701 the Hebrew gematria for the first verse of the Bible?)
    7x3x3x7 = 441 = 21×21 = (7+7+7) x (7+7+7), Simple but profound.

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